Fw: I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT THIS WAY..... Very enlightening!

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Subject: I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT THIS WAY..... Very enlightening!

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There are some things I disagree with here (like the importance of pharmaceutical companies and I'm not sure it's the Democratic party that wanted to cap law suits) but there are some other good points......

I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT THIS WAY..... Very enlightening!

This is very interesting! I never thought about it this way. Perhaps this is why so many physicians are conservatives or republicans.

The Democratic Party has become the Lawyers' Party.
Barack Obama is a lawyer.
Michelle Obama is a lawyer.
Hillary Clinton is a lawyer.
Bill Clinton is a lawyer.
John Edwards is a lawyer.
Elizabeth Edwards is a lawyer.
Every Democrat nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not graduate).
Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976, except for Lloyd Bentsen, went to law school.

Look at leaders of the Democrat Party in Congress:
Harry Reid is a lawyer.
Nancy Pelosi is a lawyer.

The Republican Party is different.
President Reagan was an actor and a Union president (actors).
President Bush was a businessman..
Vice President Cheney was a businessman.

The leaders of the Republican Revolution:
Newt Gingrich was a history professor.
Tom Delay was an exterminator.
Dick Armey was an economist.
House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic manufacturer.
The former Senate Majority Leader Bill First is a heart surgeon.
Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford, who left office 31 years ago and
who barely won the Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald Reagan in 1976..

The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers.
The Democrat Party is made up of lawyers.

Democrats mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who heal the sick, like First, or
who immerse themselves in history, like Gingrich.

The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and services that people want in a free enterprise market system, as the enemies of America . And, so we have seen the procession of official enemies, in the eyes of the Lawyers' Party, grow.

Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail?
Pharmaceutical companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers, and anyone producing anything of value in our nation.

This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing their clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to favor their side.
Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life becomes all-consuming. Some Americans become "adverse parties" of our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social class-action suit. We are citizens of a republic that promises us a great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.
Today, we are drowning in laws; we are contorted by judicial decisions; we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and the law in America is too big. When lawyers use criminal prosecution as a continuation of politics by other means, as happened in the lynching of Scooter Libby and Tom Delay, then the power of lawyers in America is too great. When House Democrats sue America in order to hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to us, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing.
We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change, real reform or real hope in America . Most Americans know that a republic in which every major government action must be blessed by nine unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the spirit of enterprise in our economy..
Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse.
The United States has 5% of the world's population and 66% of the world's lawyers! The State of Georgia has more lawyers than the country of Japan . Tort (Legal) reform legislation has been introduced in congress several times in the last several years to limit punitive damages in ridiculous lawsuits such as "spilling hot coffee on yourself and suing the establishment that sold it to you" and also to limit punitive damages in huge medical malpractice lawsuits. This legislation has continually been blocked from even being voted on by the Democrat Party. When you see that 97% of the political contributions from the American Trial Lawyers Association goes to the Democrat Party, then you realize who is responsible for our medical
and product costs being so high!

Please -- DO PASS THIS ON!!!


Snarla said...

Ha! He accidentally said Democratic party once.

Interesting cherry picking to make a stupid point, but I don't think the American people are going to keep falling for the "He's dumb like me" strategy.

Anonymous said...

So much crazy here.

There's nothing wrong with being a lawyer, but even if there was, a lot of this info is either wrong or shortsighted. Off the top of my head:

John Adams was a lawyer.
Thomas Jefferson was a lawyer.
Lincoln was a lawyer.
FDR was a lawyer.

Howard Dean is a Doctor.
John Murtha is a 40 year Marine Veteran.
John Kerry was a veteran and then a lawyer.
Alan Grayson is a lawyer but also a businessman and CEO of his own company.
Nancy Pelosi is NOT a lawyer.

Barack and Michelle were both lawyers at one point but I think a more accurate description of their later jobs was college professor and hospital administrator.

Bill and Hillary were both lawyers, though neither has practiced in years.

I'm not sure what John or Elizabeth Edwards has to do with anything.

Ronald Reagan was a B-list Hollywood actor and a union man. Amazing that he's so revered by conservatives, since these things are the embodiment of everything they hate.

The first President Bush was a successful businessman (in that he used his family connections to drill oil wells in Texas). The second President Bush tried to do the same thing but just ended up losing a ton of his daddy's friends money in the process. He is a FAILED businessman.

Dick Cheney used his government connections to grow rich by steering defense contracts to Halliburton (at public expense). Savvy to be sure, but not exactly a captain of industry.

I'm not sure about that lawyer stat at the bottom but is sounds like a lot of BS.

As for the bitching about tort reform, we all know that it is BS. Torts are not why medical costs are high. The CBO estimates that total tort reform would lower medical costs by a whopping .5%. As for the coffee cup at McDonalds thing, if you haven't figured out the reality of that case by now then you're hopeless.

gruaud said...

Ronald Reagan betrayed his SAG union "friends"
to the FBI during the worst of the Red Scare.
Something that was proven to be utterly false
years ago, but ol' Ronnie knew how to suck up
to power, the smiling fink.

His watch as president (Americans elect an
ACTOR, how friggin' perfect) went exactly as

The last decent GOP president was Ike.

Or maybe Clinton. Who can tell since the
Overton Window has been shifted such that
Genghis Khan seems like Mahatma Gandhi?

Michael Kirsch, M.D. said...

So true. The world is laughing at our litigation frenzy, which drives up costs and stifles innovation. No one understands the unfairness more than we physicians. We are victimized unfairly and then turn on our defensive medicine machine, which costs billions and helps no patients. Absurd. See www.MDWhistleblower.blogspot.com under Legal Quality.

ferschitz said...

Dear Dr. Kirsch (if, in fact, that's who you are & what your profession is),

Yes, Doctors are forced into practicing defensive medicine, which drives up your costs. However, you know very well that tort reform will bring down costs very little.

If Republics, like you, had been willing to work towards adequate reform of our health care system, issues such as those you bring up could have been addressed in more meaningful ways than just tort reform.

You're need to practice defensive medicine is brought about more by how Big Insurance operates to rip ALL of us, including you doctors, off. Wake up!

However, Democratic Reps & Senators WERE willing to include tort reform in the HCR bills, but it was YOUR side, the Republics, who REFUSED to discuss or entertain anything other than just being obstructive and against everything.

So your feeble protest against tort reform rings pretty hollow to me. Perhaps you should start primarying your Republic reps in Congress to get in some people who would actually represent YOU and YOUR needs, rather than being on the take, like pigs at the trough, from Big Insurance, Big Pharma, and Big Medical Device Industries.

Wake up before it's too late. If you had eyes to see & read, you might realize that your needs & issues are much more reasonably represented by progressives like folks here, rather than by your Republic reps, who have been lying to you for decades, while ripping you off.

joshua said...

LOL at the idea of Bush and Cheney being "businessmen"

Cheney is a career bureaucrat who only became a "businessman" because of his experience with the federal bureaucracy - he knew where to get hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money flowing into his company's account.

George W. Bush was a failed businessman who was propped up by his family, his most successful deal (with the Texas Rangers) was only successful because he managed to convince the city of Arlington to build a taxpayer subsidized stadium for his team. The increase in value of the team, the "wealth created" if you will, was due 100% to taxpayers.

Really, from here, it sounds like Dick Cheney and George W. Bush were just welfare recipients, but I guess since they weren't poor and black it is a good thing to the writer of this forward.

zaoelpis said...

I'd love to see how long of a list you could come up with of Republicans like Bush who never really had careers because they were born into old money.

Also, what's up with tracking back to see what career they all had before they went into politics? Most of these people are career politicians; it's been decades since they practiced as lawyers or anything else.

Michael Kirsch, M.D. said...

Jordy, you commented, "Most of these people are career politicians; it's been decades since they practiced as lawyers or anything else."

Maybe it's time they did.

Anonymous said...

@ Dr Kirsch

Maybe when the voters decide to elect some new people they will move on. Until then I guess we are stuck with this pesky thing called democracy.

Anonymous said...

Unlike Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Henry Fonda Lee Marvin and many other actors, Reagan never left Beverly Hills during WWII
Dick Cheney used 5 deferments to avoid service in Viet Nam
GW Bush was enlisted in the Champagne Unit of TANG during Viet Nam, and never left the US
John Kerry enlisted and served in Viet Nam
Al Gore enlisted and served in Viet Nam
John Murtha enlisted and served in Korea and Viet Nam
George McGovern flew dozens of bombing mission in WWII
Jack knnedy Won the Navy Cross for valor in the South Pacific in WWII.
All republicans are obviously cowards.
Oh, yeah, if you don't like lawyers, next time you get arrested call Dick Cheney.

Anonymous said...

Oh, yeah Bo Kerrey is a college president, Viet nam veteran, amputee and a medal of honor winner.
Max Cleland is an amputee and a Viet nam veteran. Republican draft dodger and lawyer George Allen, who was a bench warming QB at the University of Virginia during the Viet Nam war joined lawyer and 5-viet nam era deferment user Saxbe Cambliss smear campaign against Cleland when Chambliss took Cleland's senate seat in 2002. The republican lawyer draft dodgers compared the triple amputee veteran to Osama bin Laden.
"Businessman" Dick Cheney has always worked for the government, except when he was with with a Halliburton, whose biggest contractor is the U S government.

Thx 4 Fish said...

Regarding Medical Tort Reform. Medical malpractice awards are less than 2% of all medical costs. Most malpractice cases are brought at the STATE level, hence a federal cap would have little effect on malpractice cases.

In 2003 Texas passed a cap on medical malpractice cases. Most doctors did see a reduction in malpractice insurance premiums, however this savings did not get passed on to patients in lower fees or lower insurance premiums. What a surprise. Tort reform is another red herring in the debate on health insurance reform.


ferschitz said...

Thanks for that info, Bebe. I believe that the same thing happened in other states (such as Illinois, I think), as what happened in TX. Tort reform at the federal level is a huge red herring and would result in almost no savings for patients and little savings, if any, for doctors.

Yet I notice that the good Dr. Kirsch refuses to address the REAL reality of this situation, preferring instead to blame his "problems" on Democrats. Same old, different day.

I wish Republics would wake up and work towards real common goals that would inure to the benefit of all citizens.

Anonymous said...

holy shit, you mean people who study Law go into professions involving the law?


Anonymous said...

The Republican Party is made up of real people doing real work, who are often the targets of lawyers.


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