Subject: Fw: Pastor Rick Warren's view on Proposition 8-Truly very sad!
If you want to see why people have no faith in church leaders and pastors on what they do and do not beleive , then take a moment and read what this impostor tells his church members at a service and then when in the National spot light on Larry King goes in the other direction on what the Bible plainly states againest homosexual conduct in any form . people like this freak is why more and more people are turning away from the churches and beleiving lies that satan is more than willing to spread . watch the Larry King video on this site about this story and you will hear for your self what i mean after reading what he preached just two weeks before he went on tv. check it out for your self it is well worth it . Thank God there are a few of us that still beleive what God say's in His word more than what men think .
Danny
Subject: Pastor Rick Warren's view on Proposition 8-Truly very sad!
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Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 7:51 AM
SCROLL DOWN AND READ WHAT RICK WARREN SAID TO HIS CHURCH, AND THEN SCROLL BACK UP AND CLICK ON THE LINK AND SEE WHAT HE SAID TO LARRY KING, WHICH IS IN STARK CONTRAST. HE SAYS ONE THING TO HIS CHURCH CROWD AND QUITE ANOTHER TO LARRY KING, AND APOLOGIZES TO HOMOSEXUALS. A FOUNTAIN CANNOT SEND FORTH BOTH BITTER AND SWEET WATER (JAMES 3:11); NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS, FOR HE WILL CLING TO ONE OR THE OTHER (MATTHEW 6:24); ONE CANNOT PLEASE BOTH GOD AND MAN (GALATIANS 1:10 / I THESSALONIANS 2:4-6); AND THE TRUMPET, TO BE UNDERSTOOD, MUST SEND FORTH A CERTAIN SOUND (I CORINTHIANS 14:8).
ON MORAL ISSUES, ONE MUST GET IN OR GET OUT, GET ON OR GET OFF, AND NOT RUN AROUND THE FORTY ACRES. IF THERE IS TO BE ANY HOPE FOR HOMOSEXUALS, IT IS FOUND IN I CORINTHIANS 6:9-11...THEY MUST BE "WASHED" FROM THAT SIN, JUST AS THOSE GUILTY OF OTHER SINS. THE BLOOD OF CHRIST IS THE ONLY REMEDY FOR SIN OF ANY DESCRIPTION, AND IT IS ALL HEINOUS AND VILE IN THE SIGHT OF THE HOLY AND JUST GOD, WHO HAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED JUDGMENT UPON ALL WHO ARE NOT IN CHRIST (JOHN 3:18, 36).
THE LAST THING HOMOSEXUALS NEED IS TO BE APOLOGIZED TO OR COMFORTED IN THEIR INORDINATE LIFESTYLE, WHICH GOD SAYS IS "AGAINST NATURE" AND "VILE" (ROMANS 1:24-32). HE RAINED FIRE AND BRIMSTONE ON SODOM AND GOMORRAH FOR THAT VERY SIN (GENESIS 191-25). HOMOSEXUALS MUST COME TO FACE THE FACT THAT GOD DID NOT MAKE THEM THIS WAY; IT IS A LEARNED BEHAVIOR, ONE THAT IS TAUGHT THEM ALONG THE WAY.
IN ANY CASE, WHATEVER THEY FEEL MADE THEM THAT WAY, THEY MUST, AS THE DRUNKARD, THE LIAR, THE THIEF AND EVERY OTHER SINNER, AGREE WITH GOD ABOUT THEIR CONDITION AND CRY OUT TO GOD FOR MERCY AND DELIVERANCE. IF THEY REMAIN IN THEIR PRESENT SIN AND REBELLION, THEY SHALL SURELY PERISH UNDER THE WRATH OF GOD, AND WILL JOIN THE INFAMOUS LIST OF UNREPENTANT REBELS LISTED IN REVELATION 21:8 IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.
I AM CONGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT MOST PEOPLE IN OUR DAY HAVE ABANDONED THE WORD OF GOD AND HAVE THROWN OFF ALL RESTRAINT FROM GOD OR MAN AND HAVE RUN RAMPANT INTO LICENTIOUSNESS AND DEBAUCHERY. SUCH PEOPLE WILL NOT AGREE WITH WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, NOR WILL THEY AGREE WITH WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ON THE MATTER. FINE, BUT THAT DOES NOT, AND WILL NOT, CHANGE THE TRUTH. A HORSE WHICH TAKES THE BITS IN ITS TEETH AND KICKS AGAINST ITS MASTER CAN LOOK TO GET THE WHIP ON HIS BACK UNTIL HIS STUBBORN WILL IS BROKEN, AND THERE IS A ROD FOR THE BACK OF FOOLS (PROVERBS 26:3).. READ ALL THE ARTICLES BELOW, THEN CLICK ON THE LINK, OR VICE VERSA (WALT)...
Here is a video from the Larry King.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIWSyMrhRA&feature=related
Rick Warren disavows support for Prop. 8
Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 4/8/2009 7:00:00 AM
California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California's Proposition 8, and now claims he "never once even gave an endorsement" of the marriage amendment.
Monday night on CNN's Larry King Live , Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California 's voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has "never been and never will be" an "anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist."
"During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never -- never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going," Warren claimed.
However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. "We support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8," he said.
The following is a complete transcript of Warren 's comments just weeks before the Prop. 8 election:
"The election's coming just in a couple of weeks, and I hope you're praying about your vote. One of the propositions, of course, that I want to mention is Proposition 8, which is the proposition that had to be instituted because the courts threw out the will of the people. And a court of four guys actually voted to change a definition of marriage that has been going for 5,000 years.
"Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 -- and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear.
"This is one thing, friends, that all politicians tend to agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain , I flat-out asked both of them: what is your definition of marriage? And they both said the same thing -- it is the traditional, historic, universal definition of marriage: one man and one woman, for life. And every culture for 5,000 years, and every religion for 5,000 years, has said the definition of marriage is between one man and a woman.
"Now here's an interesting thing. There are about two percent of Americans [who] are homosexual or gay/lesbian people. We should not let two percent of the population determine to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years.
"This is not even just a Christian issue -- it's a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation.
"So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I'm going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views."
During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. "There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends -- the leaders that I knew -- and actually apologized to them. That never got out," he admitted.
Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court's decision last week to legalize same-sex "marriage" because it was "not his agenda."
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Bryan Fischer with the Idaho Values Alliance says Warren is abdicating his biblical role as a pastor. "For Pastor Warren to say that shoring up marriage is not something that's on his agenda is just something that's hard to believe for somebody who believes the Bible is our rule for faith and practice," Fischer notes.
Dr. Jim Garlow , the senior pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in the San Diego suburb of La Mesa , helped spearhead the Prop. 8 effort in California . Garlow admits he is confused and troubled by Pastor Warren 's decision to apologize for supporting Prop. 8.
"Historically when institutions and individuals back away from convictional biblical truth, it is driven primarily by one single factor -- and that is the respectability of other people. In other words, much more caring about what other people think about them than what God thinks about them," he concludes.
Pastor Warren did not respond to a request from OneNewsNow for an interview.
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A nice bit of good old-fashioned homophobia there. Can't go wrong with the classics. If you're going to write a rant in blue capitals, a nice big gay one will always get a crowd going.
In the meantime, Rick Warren is a terrible Christian for what he said recently - because he lied about his previous statements. He most certainly was against gay marriage and for proposition eight, and he definitely did compare homosexual relationships to bestiality and incest. His later lies about all this have him breaking one of the ten commandments, and God took the trouble to write those up on blocks of stone for people. Might as well go about fondling a golden calf while you're at it.
I feel no love lost on Rick Warren. I'm not well-versed enough in the exacting details of what Rick Warren said & when & where and to whom.
If Rick Warren is doing some soul searching (maybe? who knows?) about his stand against gays (and I do know that he has said some rather nasty things, as Celia indicates, above)well then: bravo (even tho it's too little too late, but I guess I'll take it).
I was not thrilled to have Warren give the invocation at BHO's inauguration, but I do find it interesting how quickly the religious right turned on him after the Larry King broadcast. It didn't take them a NY nanosecond before the long knives were out and the shivs were in Warren's back.
So much for "christianist" charity, for the true "What Would Jesus Do" thought process, for the tolerance and kindness that Jesus taught.
Feh... no big surprises here. Nothing to see here, move along. Just more "christianists" being narrow minded, unkind, mean-spirited, abrasive, self-righteous, controlling,etc. Same old thing, different day...
Just as people were starting to call him out on his conflicting statements, Warren cancelled his Easter Sunday appearance on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." Presumably this was so he could ascend to a nearby mountaintop, grow a long gray beard, and come back down Charlton Heston-like with Commandment No. XI -- Thou Shalt/Shalt Not Allow TEH GHEY to Marry.
Well, Pastor Warren? Whatsitgonnabe?
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